Can Sarah Palin win over Hillary Clinton Voters?
As an avid Hillary Clinton supporter, I was sorely disappointed with the Obama decision to overlook Hillary. Then further disappointed that Evan Bayh was overlooked for someone who is known for off the cuff attacks that seasoned, yet typical politicians are known for.
I don’t know about you, but I’m sick, sick, SICK of typical politics and cookie cutter politicians.
I like the fact that Sarah Palin is not a seasoned politician. I like the fact that she’s married to a man who didn’t go to college and who is a blue collar worker. I like the fact that her family is dysfunctional, public about it and proud of their accomplishments in spite of their dysfunction. The portrait of perfection, to me, is a testament of lies and secrets.
I like the fact that Sarah Palin has a sister who owns a gas/service station that provides her firsthand insight into small business. I believe her spouse and family can be the voice of American’s and the whispers of reason when she’s deafened by the screeches of politics on Capital Hill.
The list could go on – however, the one thing I have to keep in mind is that we are not voting on the VP alone – we are voting on the package. As much as I love and adore Palin, I hate McCain. While his age is something to think about and there is a real possibility he could easily kick the bucket in DC, there is no absolute assurance.
McCain is appealing to the moral values of the evangelicals by his position on abortion – however, what can be said about a man who is against abortion, brings children into this world and then abandoned’s them? Isn’t that a huge part of the problem with our society now? Is that what pro-life supporters would rather people do? I just don’t get it!
I believe Obama screwed up in a very big way when he overlooked Hillary Clinton and I believe he will pay the ultimate price for the wrong decision.
It’s a sad day when I am actually contemplating my vote on the basis of which presidential candidate might walk into the light first, leaving behind a VP that would be the better President to lead our country.
That said, I don’t believe Joe Biden would be the best to run the country, but it is my gut instinct that many of us will experience a bit of déjà vu in a candidacy that has been so often compared to that of John F. Kennedy. As sad as it is, I do believe there are some in this country that are so archaic in their beliefs that they would never permit a black man to lead.
Don’t get me wrong, I do like Barack – I adore Michelle and their girls are simply precious. I just don’t think he’s making a wise decision at this point in time and a real focus should be placed on Joe Biden.
On the flip side – I watch McCain walk and talk and the man is so decrepit, he’s likely to be buying the farm with the first major stress load that’s delivered to the Oval Office.
Still I am on the fence with my vote.
Did you catch Sarah Palin’s speech last night? What did you think?
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I’m so unbelievably torn for all the reasons you mentioned – and so frustrated because of all the message clutter and analysis that’s going on. I’m also praying for a person who can INSPIRE us to be better and do better and do the right thing – even though we don’t always agree on what that is.
Also undecided – Ivana
It will be interesting to see if/when Hillary comments. I was disappointed too by Barack overlooking her, but this is not the answer.
Mary
This should not be a big surprise because I do tend to vote a conservative ticket and my big deal breakers are abortion, gun control, and the military…so there is no way I could vote for obama-rama.
I liek that she is proud of her son serving htis country, I can’t belive that she was criticized for that.
I like that she is down to earth
I like that she want the US to be independent
I like that she sold her freakin’ PLANE!
I like that she has the chutzpah to go into labor, give a speech, and fly home to give birth…I hosted a party for the 5 hours of my 6th labor and I can tell you that was not easy.
I like that she has alot of kids…you want to talk about diplomacy? Mediation?
I like that she is from alaska
I like that she looks GREAT in a bikini
I like that she is real
I like that she has blue collar ties
I like that she is military
WHile I would vot e for mccain over obama any day I would have preferred another presidential..but I think that she will easily balance him out and I think that is the strength of this ticket.
ANYONE can talk a good talk. I would have thought that we had enough smoke-up-our-buts-sweet talk from Bill Clinton. The only reason ANYTHING good happened in those years was his wife.
I am personally ready for an ethical government that is not afraid to sell air force one on ebay if that is what it takes…and will make both the good ole boy republicans AND democrats quake in their Tony Lamas and swallow their chew. She cleaned up that crap in Alaska, I believe she can do it in the rest of the nation.
see…I should have made this into a post and posted it on my blog…LOL
Also, is your dislike of McCain based on his age or issues?
@ Mary – I consider myself a Democrat based entirely on economic issues. I believe the liberals are better for my wallet and my health care. I happen to be PRO-NRA, Pro-Choice (in cases of rape, incest and danger to the mother’s health). I was going to be voting for Hillary because I’m married to a veteran the Government has turned their back on and the ultra high cost of his prescriptions and required/regular testing is too much to bear when the deep pockets of health insurance won’t cover him.
I was going to vote for Hillary because of my mother being forced to move to Canada to get medical attention in an injury that occured while she was working for our government who in turn found a way to create red tape to avoid following through on treatment.
I am a Christian. For me, homosexuality is wrong. I believe in the Bible and believe that part where it says “go unto the world and multiply” did not mean come out of the closet. But that’s just me and my own convictions. For those who are gay, be gay – I really don’t care I just don’t want it around me.
I respect a persons right to be gay and respect their right to privacy – I just wish they would keep it private.
@ Marye – I’m ready for an ethical government too! Now would someone please feed McCain a shitload of salt or something?
@ Stephen – The difference in Palin’s stance and McCain’s is obvious – he walked out on his kids – she didn’t!
McCain abandoned a wife and kids and blamed it on the war. If he would give such little regard to his own flesh and blood, how could I possibly trust him with mine?
I don’t understand how you can say that Liberals are much better for your wallet and your healthcare.
Liberals haven’t done a thing for your wallet Gayla. I don’t have to tell you how sky high property taxes and taxes overall in this country are when the Democrats are in charge. That’s what they want to do as soon as they step foot in office… raise the taxes over all, take advantage of the rich and allow much of the poor to remain on welfare for the rest of their life because they can!
Liberals want more of the government in your face, in your business and want to continue to tell us what they think we must do with our hard earned dollars.
As for McCain’s personal life… people get married, they have kids, and sometimes marriages fail. There are two sides to every story and I don’t think you can hold his failed marriage against him. It’s how he lives his life today that counts.
You know how I feel about my ex husband. However, I hope and pray that some time he sees the light at the end of the tunnel and starts doing right by all of his children. If and when that day comes… he deserves the chance to be good if that is truly what he wants to be.
As hard as you and Rusty work I can’t for the life of me imagine how you can say that you consider yourself a Democrat based on economic issues. Being a Democrat always means having your taxes raised and more of our government up your butt and putting our hard earned dollars to pay for things like that Jet Palin had put on eBay.
Of course Palin isn’t necessarily a rational person, being that she supports teaching creationism (a religious substitute for actual real science) in schools, and opposes teaching sex education in schools, instead promoting an abstinence-only approach that has been shown by many researchers to be totally ineffective. All she has to do is look at her daughter to see how ineffective it is. But say that and poof! a huge cloud of denial and cries of foul descend.. I’d like to see what the social conservatives would be saying if one of the Dem’s families had a similar issue…it would be a feeding frenzy of epic proportions, but these self righteous goons now try to hide behind a wall of privacy..
So Palin’s idea of “family values” is to promote a failed approach to avoiding teen pregnancy (abstinence), remove any backup (safe sex education) in case that approach fails (and most of the time it does fail..kids have sex, get over it), and then remove any means of avoiding an early dive into an almost certain economic and emotional disaster for young unprepared unexpected parents (abortion). Bristol with marry Levi in a shotgun wedding, and they will be divorced within 5 years after having several more kids (or she will have to ut up with a cheating boozing husband..see. below). Neither will ever get a college education.. and that will all contribute to this tragedy…
She claimed in her speech that women were on the verge of being able to to do anything (by way of her VP nomination), yet her policies on teen sex and abortion seek to remove the most fundamental freedoms a woman could want.
She rails against any of us peering into her private life, yet she wants nothing more than for her (now smaller, by selling off assets on ebay) government to peer into and control the choices of women an families across the nation. Talk about having the government up your but… (Domestic Diva)…
This is just plain self serving social conservative hooey.
Had McCain chosen someone of quality instead of the loud mouthed white-trash mom from Alaska**, someone like Carly Fiorina, I might consider voting for him, but having a whack job like Palin a heartbeat away from making policy decisions that she is clearly not qualified to make, makes my blood run cold.
** Here are some links to the results of Palin’s “family values”
http://www.stupidsheeple.com/index.php/2008090140/latest/bristol-palin-gone-wild.html
http://news.spreadit.org/levi-johnston-myspacelevi-johnston-bristol-palin-boyfriend-photos/
Of course Palin isn’t necessarily a rational person, being that she supports teaching creationism (a religious substitute for actual real science) in schools, and opposes teaching sex education in schools, instead promoting an abstinence-only approach that has been shown by many researchers to be totally ineffective. All she has to do is look at her daughter to see how ineffective it is. But say that and poof! a huge cloud of denial and cries of foul descend.. I’d like to see what the social conservatives would be saying if one of the Dem’s families had a similar issue…it would be a feeding frenzy of epic proportions, but these self righteous goons now try to hide behind a wall of privacy..
So Palin’s idea of “family values” is to promote a failed approach to avoiding teen pregnancy (abstinence), remove any backup (safe sex education) in case that approach fails (and most of the time it does fail..kids have sex, get over it), and then remove any means of avoiding an early dive into an almost certain economic and emotional disaster for young unprepared unexpected parents (abortion). Bristol with marry Levi in a shotgun wedding, and they will be divorced within 5 years after having several more kids (or she will have to ut up with a cheating boozing husband..see. below). Neither will ever get a college education.. and that will all contribute to this tragedy…
She claimed in her speech that women were on the verge of being able to to do anything (by way of her VP nomination), yet her policies on teen sex and abortion seek to remove the most fundamental freedoms a woman could want.
She rails against any of us peering into her private life, yet she wants nothing more than for her (now smaller, by selling off assets on ebay) government to peer into and control the choices of women an families across the nation. Talk about having the government up your but… (Domestic Diva)…
This is just plain self serving social conservative hooey.
Had McCain chosen someone of quality instead of the loud mouthed white-trash mom from Alaska, someone like Carly Fiorina, I might consider voting for him, but having a whack job like Palin a heartbeat away from making policy decisions that she is clearly not qualified to make, makes my blood run cold.
http://www.stupidsheeple.com/index.php/2008090140/latest/bristol-palin-gone-wild.html
http://news.spreadit.org/levi-johnston-myspacelevi-johnston-bristol-palin-boyfriend-photos/
I know there are million of Hillary & woman Voter who will be Voting for this ticket
Like my self,
Tired of same old Politics and same Speechs from barack Obama he my talk about the economy, but does not talk how he going to Fix anything very Vague !!!
Even tho CNN & Msnbc give Obama a Pass , on his experience and agenda on the enconomy does not going to change these voter mind, and when this race is over and Barack Obama not in the white house, the Media Bias will have some explaining to do,
but I am sure they will blame Hillary Clinton, For everything,
I don’t think it’s taking advantage of the rich – but I do think if a person buys 5 properties and multiple cars/sports cars they should be taxed on those accordingly. Simply put – buy more, buy bigger, pay more. Fair Tax Baby! That’s what I’m talkin’ bout.
Do you know that in my state it costs over $100 a year to send a child to public school JUST for Book Rental? Plus they add on project items throughout the year that kids have to have. I believe Indiana is one of only two states that have book rental.
I have always seen my blue collar relatives suffer during times when the conservatives were in control. I have seen them flourish when liberals have been in. It’s what I’ve seen with my eyes, not what I’ve read or heard.
As for how McCain lives his life now – he abandoned his kids. Leopards don’t change spots. Remember teaching me that during the Bush/Kerry campaigns?
And the government has never been up my butt more than it is currently under Bush and Cheney.
It’s just a personal opinion, observation, feeling and conviction – not likely to change much.
@ Steve in SJ – All I see is Bristol being a real teenager and not someone who is pretending to be something or someone she’s not. I don’t know too many teens who haven’t gone on a rebellious spree and have done similar things to what the pictures show. I’ve often laughed and said in order to find a virgin these days, you’ll have to show me an ugly third grader. This is teens being teens and not a reflection of Sarah’s leadership abilities.
You say that fair is fair when it comes to fair tax but what you don’t seem to realize is that people (no matter what tax bracket they are in) should not have to suffer the burden of higher taxes every time they turn around. If people are going to be taxed fairly then it should be the same all the way across the board. So the person that has 5 properties is already going to pay property taxes on all 5 of those properties. Why should they have to dish out more just because they have more? I’m referring to making rich people go above and beyond what everybody else is required to do. The government has no business telling anybody what they should do with their money or properties just because some have more than others.
I don’t believe Nebraska has anything called a book rental. Our local government does not require its citizens to pay a book rental. I don’t recall the people here in Omaha voting for anything like that either. We do have fees that we have to come up with and pay for as well as extracurricular expenses. We have school supply lists and volunteer forms where parents can fill those out in order to participate in their child’s education. I suppose such matters would come up at PTA meetings and such. I don’t know how Indiana does it and I’m not familiar with everything that Nebraska does but I can say that I don’t have a book rental fee that I have to pay. I wonder how Indiana’s elected officials came up with that. Maybe you can research that further and say where it leads you to. Maybe there was some sort of vote for such things?
I have a friend whose parents were able to get tax refunds two years in a row because of the Bush tax cuts. Our family has persevered even during the Clinton years. I believe where there is a will there is a way and I’m sure your suffering relatives (just like everybody else with a little bit of perseverance) have figured out how to thrive, manage and live. I’m sorry that some of your family members felt that they had to move to Canada in order to flourish but at least there is an example of somebody doing whatever needs to be done in order to make it. It’s about personal choices. It can’t all be the government’s fault.
I will give you that… leopards don’t change spots. They can’t, they are leopards. However, people can change and learn from their mistakes if they choose to. John Kerry wasn’t willing to change or learn from any of his mistakes. John McCain can’t be upset or have regrets about his own personal actions with his 1st marriage having failed? My first marriage failed. As much as I can’t stand my ex-husband I hope that he has regret for his part in our marriage having failed. Maybe he will wake up one day and start doing right by his kids. What can I say if he has remorse and makes a positive change in his life? What can I say if he finally does right by his children? There won’t be anything that I can say. All I can do is pray about it and forgive if and when the time comes. That’s how people learn.
What does Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy have to do with her ability to lead?
If you guys want to look at something from the past about McCain why not look at the fact that he was able to survive being tortured?
Reagan was 69 years old I believe when he was voted into office and he served for two terms. If he can do it why can’t McCain do it?
What does adoring Michelle and her kids have to do with the presidency? Palin’s kids are all cuties but that’s not why she is running with McCain.
I’m glad that I went to AWANA last night. I was nervous about it and had the jitters. I was Feeling apprehensive about it.
The Fact is that I picked myself up in spite of my Feelings and went to AWANA anyway.
I’m glad I went because I discovered in spite of my Feelings that AWANA was really a fun time for Fiona and it was good for me to take time out to get to know some of the other Mom’s.
I’m so glad I didn’t avoid a situation because of I I was Feeling.
I feel a certain amount of responsibility to remain close to my father knowing that he doesn’t take very good care of himself and in a few years will need someone to care for him. He won’t move because of the ties his property has to my dead brother.
Sometimes it just makes more sense to take risks than to leave what keeps you grounded. In that sense, my family values come first.
Also, given the fact that my husband has an illness that exists because of his time in Iraq prevents him from being *hireable* or insurable. It’s not so easy to get coverage. He’s doing what he has to do to get his testing and medication covered, but for now, we’re faced with paying out well over $600 a month in medications and testing. And as much as I hate to disagree here, there are some times when some people in some situations DO have to settle. Not always, but some. Mine happens to be one of them.
I agree everyone should be taxed fairly – however, a person making $30,000 a year can’t afford investments that will protect them from being taxed more – while those making $100,000 can afford to invest in ways that prevent them from paying taxes on it all. Should people be penalized for not making enough to invest? That’s what it seems like to me. That’s all I’m saying…
As for book rental… We pay for everything here in Indiana. EV-ER-EE thing! Including public education. It cost me $357 just to get my kids in school. That doesn’t include lunches, clothes, supplies or sports. It’s something the people of Indiana have bitched about for years – but have yet to see it changed. We live in a very conservative state and I suppose that’s where my bias comes in to play.
Being self employed and paying those self employment taxes is brutal too. You’d think there would be some way to reward people who can make a nice living from home – but rather they get jacked for taxes. Just doesn’t seem fair.
As for McCain and his regrets? There’s no record of him regretting his choices until he became a politician – I find that to be remorse of convenience. Any man who can turn his back on his children is scum in my book – you and I both know that kind of scum first hand. Maybe the personal experience with a sperm donor as such has me a little bitter toward him – I don’t know.
I do know that I am keeping an open mind – I’m not committing myself to one side or the other but at this point, Palin is the only candidate that appeals to me whatsoever.
As far as the spouse and kids – I remember in last election hearing from so many pundits that it takes a whole package there too. Everyone made fun of and mocked Kerry’s wife saying she didn’t look or act the part of first lady. I just believed the same held true this time too.
Something happened with Palin in her hometown. Something that she tried to fight for and was shot down. I can’t remember what the story was but I think I remember the gist of it being that when she realized that there was nothing she could do she decided that the only thing she could do was run for office. Maybe that is something you could do? You could run for office and work to get the book fees and school fees changed. How awe-inspiring that would be.
If you think the taxes that you have to pay being self employed are bad wait and see what Obama does. I don’t have to tell you what our property taxes are here in Omaha. I think we’ve already talked about this before. In fact, I think if we moved to Indiana we could probably get twice the house for what we pay here in Omaha. I know we could probably get triple the house that we have here if we moved to Texas. If we moved to the east or west coast, forget it.
I think deep down people that could have made better choices in life, people that aren’t perfect, like McCain – probably do have regrets. At least McCain is willing to keep everything honest instead of trying to deny or lie about it. I would much rather have somebody admit to something and that thing they are admitting to be fact than to try and cover it up and make it something that it’s not. Everybody has those skeletons in their closet. I don’t think what happened in his first marriage hinders him from being able to lead this country.
Good Lord where has the day gone? LOL It’s going to be an interesting election for sure. I know that you know I’m so much more than just a tax bracket. I know that you are doing the best that you can as are we. Have you guys thought about checking out any VA facilities near you and seeing how they might be able to help with the medical stuff?
My husband is and has been processing through all the red tape that’s associated with VA benefits since February 21st when his application was filed. He’s been through three evaluations and one physical. It’s just a matter of time we hope, before he gets word on what they can and can’t help him with.
I believe every single veteran should be entitled to the same exact insurance that our government has. It sure would be nice to support our troops with more than a banner and a t-shirt wouldn’t it?
It’s sad to see what our vets have to go through – but believe me, more times than not, I’ve thought about prepping to run for a local office.
My beef is not that Bristol Palin and her beau are boozing teenagers. My beef is that Sarah Palin wants to impose her policies on all of us because she thinks her way is somehow better. The point of bringing up Bristol’s pregnancy and her party pictures is that her kids are pretty much the same as everyone else’s…So who the hell does Palin think she is saying that her way of raising her kids is better? What she really wants is to impose her right wing creationist global warming denialist, anti abortion, anti sex ed version of truth on everyone else. It isn’t because it works, or because its true, it;’s because it’s what SHE believes.. And she can’t stand to let anyone believe or live anything else. There’s no tolerance there…
Suppose your daughter was raped, and as a result was pregnant… If Sarah Palin has her way, your daughter will be unable to abort that pregnancy, and through no fault of her own she will have to relive the trauma of that heinous act every single day for 9 months and then go through the trauma of either giving up a child she has carried and borne, or raise a child she is unprepared for that will remind her of that trauma every day of her life.. What kind of choice is that? And who the hell is Sarah Palin to think that she can impose that choice while making the other hard choice (that of killing off a fetus before it is viable) illegal…???
ANd don’t get me started on teaching creationism…a religious pseudo science..How can you acknowledge (and get rich from) the existence of OIL (a substance that takes millions of years to make under the ground),and at the same time promote a bible story that says that God created everything in a few days.. ???Even with the most liberal reading of “days”, the story makes no sense…
I think Palin is an OK person. She certainly has charm, but I can’t stand the fact that she thinks that she somehow knows better what’s right, and feels entitled to impose that on the rest of us.
Diva complained about having the government up her butt. All I think Palin wants to do is change orifices…
S
Nobody should have the right to a) dictate the answer to that choice, or b) stack the deck so that only one value system is seen as legitimate.
S